Joe is a health psychologist who’s especially interested in behavioural change. As someone who’s obsessed with making little changes for the better all the time, this is a conversation I’d been dying to have and I am delighted to share with you.

We talked all about therapy from a self optimizing perspective. An area I’m fascinated in and one that keeps coming up in the work I’m doing with business leaders, the secret weapon they all seem to have is an excellent retained relationship with a psychotherapist.

Napoleon Bonaparte said if best “if you build an army of 100 lions and their leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. BUT if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion.” and so in business, if you want to get the most from your team and those around you, you have to double down and get the most from yourself first.

There’s so much more in this too. Similar to my last podcast with Will, we could have talked for hours longer. This was such a good conversation and one that I took so much from. I’m delighted to share it with you and hopefully we’ll get to connect again and explore / share more. If you want to connect in with him from here, you can find him via: